tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52220174883180955802024-03-08T06:58:46.285-08:00ShowNotesRadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-1008227835043675102010-01-05T18:32:00.001-08:002010-01-05T18:32:43.815-08:00Show notes for Episode 44Radio Freethinker episode 44 - Dr. Paul Offit being sued by anti-vaccination groups, Ahead of the curve with Don, Skeptical challenge from Desiree Schell<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);">Song</span>: Our Place in the Cosmos by John Boswell http://www.symphonyofscience.com/<br /><br />Links:<br />Dr. Paul Offit sued by anti-vaccination groups.<br /><br />http://scepticsbook.com/wp-content/uploads/Arthur-v.-Offitv2.pdf<br /><br />http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1418<br /><br />http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2716<br /><br />http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/<br /><br />http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/12/the_anti-vaccine_movement_shows_just_how.php<br /><br />http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2415<br />The World at Night: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/event.php?eid=240450058085<br /><br />Skeptics in the pub quiz: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=app_2344061033&ref=profile&id=1268610986#/event.php?eid=207847836903&index=1RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-60632860085396218062009-12-30T12:19:00.000-08:002009-12-30T12:22:21.317-08:00Show notes for Episode 43Radio Freethinker episode 43 - TSA's new regulations, Skeptical activism with special guest Jesse Brydle<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);">Song</span>: Who's Driving Your Plane? By The Rolling Stones<br /><br />Links:<br /><br />TSA's new regulations: http://gizmodo.com/5435675/president-obama-its-time-to-fire-the-tsa and http://www.slate.com/id/2239935/ and http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27security.html?_r=1&scp=4&sq=micheline%20maynard&st=cse<br /><br />CFI: http://www.centerforinquiry.net/vancouver<br /><br />Skepticamp: http://www.bcskeptics.info/skepticamp/2009.04.htmlRadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-31124488245587772072009-12-28T12:00:00.000-08:002009-12-28T12:01:56.725-08:00Show notes for Episode 42Radio Freethinker episode 42 - Old Cereal, water on Titan, H1N1 Silver lining, Copenhagan<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);">Song</span>: Santa Claws is coming to town by Alice Cooper<br /><br />Links:<br /><br />Cereal is older than we think<br />http://www.canada.com/technology/science/Study+finds+cereal+much+older+than+thought/2359277/story.html<br /><br />Water on Titan (almost)<br />http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/12/091222-saturn-moon-titan-fog-methane-lakes.htmlRadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-21099829271440075962009-12-27T23:27:00.000-08:002009-12-27T23:34:28.588-08:00Show notes for Episode 41Radio Freethinker episode 41 - Economics email, the logic of Sonya McLeod, Science reporting vs Science<br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(0, 153, 0);">Song</span>: Girl you have no faith in Medicine by the White Stripes<br /><br />Sonya McLeod: http://ethanhistorianblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/danger-danger-sonya-mcleod.html<br /><br />Economics email: http://skepticaleconstudent.blogspot.com/2009/11/how-stimulating-is-economic-stimulus.htmlRadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-46193385751159840012009-12-10T17:52:00.000-08:002009-12-10T17:59:14.196-08:00Show notes for Episode 40Radio Freethinker episode 40 - Ecole Polytechnique massacre, the Swiss Ban Minarets, Interview with Justin Trottier<br /><br />Links:<br /><br />Swiss banning Minarets: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8385893.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8385893.stm</a><br />Ecole Polytechnique massacre: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre</a><br /><br />Science News Stories:<br />Killer Tomatoes? <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/12/09/real-life-killer-tomatoes-carnivorous-plants-may-be-all-around-us/">http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/12/09/real-life-killer-tomatoes-carnivorous-plants-may-be-all-around-us/</a><br />Cell phones not causing Cancer <a href="http://professional.cancerconsultants.com/oncology_main_news.aspx?id=44369">http://professional.cancerconsultants.com/oncology_main_news.aspx?id=44369</a><br /><br />Justin Trottier: <a href="http://www.centerforinquiry.net/ontario/about/contact_information/">http://www.centerforinquiry.net/ontario/about/contact_information/</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-59886375360362962312009-12-01T23:03:00.000-08:002009-12-01T23:20:55.477-08:00Show notes for Episode 39Radio Freethinker episode 39 - We discuss Science and Media with special guest Jennifer Kaban<br /><br /><span style="color:#009900;">Song</span>: Science is Real by They Might Be Giants <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty33v7UYYbw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty33v7UYYbw</a><br /><br />Links:<br /><br />Brain scan used in Trial: <a href="http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=2664">http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=2664</a><br /><br />Climate Change emails: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/26/climate-change-hack.html">http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/26/climate-change-hack.html</a><br /><br />TEDxTerry talks: <a href="http://www.terry.ubc.ca/terrytalks/">http://www.terry.ubc.ca/terrytalks/</a><br /><br />Jennifer Kaban "Sharing Wonder" <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZxaR2Ft4Is">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZxaR2Ft4Is</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-89517775003388754242009-11-25T14:44:00.000-08:002009-11-25T15:00:33.455-08:00Show notes for Episode 38Radio Freethinker episode 38 - Our Second Fundraising Episode!! Vaccines and poor journalism by the Georgia Straight<br /><br />You can donate by calling 604-822-8648 or at <a href="http://www.citr.ca/donate">www.citr.ca/donate</a><br /><br />Great swag awaits you!!<br /><br />Donations give you the chance to win some great swag!<br />For $101.90 you get: Year’s subscription to Skeptical Inquirer and Free Inquiry!<br />For $60 you get: A new copy of Richard Dawkins “The Greatest Show on Earth”!<br />For $60 you get: A membership, free pass and t-shirt from the Railway Club!<br />For $30 you get CD of the Music of Radio Freethinker! and a DVD of audio books on science, skepticism and atheism! and a Honorary membership of the UBC Freethinkers! <span style="color:#33cc00;">!SOLD OUT!</span><br /><br />If you Donate $300 or more... you get it all!!!Call 604-822-8648 or 604 UBC UNIT<br /><br />Links:<br />Georgia Straight article on Vaccines: <a href="http://www.straight.com/article-270843/vancouver/whats-your-vaccine">http://www.straight.com/article-270843/vancouver/whats-your-vaccine</a><br /><br />Events:<br />Skeptics in the Pub: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=5218449547">http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=5218449547</a><br />Skepticism and The X-Files: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/#/event.php?eid=168661704305&index=1">http://www.facebook.com/#/event.php?eid=168661704305&index=1</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-25128258370921166522009-11-19T19:18:00.000-08:002009-11-19T19:25:20.581-08:00Show notes for Episode 37Radio Freethinker episode 37 - Our First Fundraising Episode!! Craziness ensues!! You can donate by calling 604-822-8648 or at <a href="http://www.citr.ca/donate">www.citr.ca/donate</a> Great swag awaits you!! <br />Donations give you the chance to win some great swag!<br />For $101.90 you get: Year’s subscription to Skeptical Inquirer and Free Inquiry!<br />For $60 you get: A new copy of Richard Dawkins “The Greatest Show on Earth”!<br />For $60 you get: A membership, free pass and t-shirt from the Railway Club!<br />For $30 you get CD of the Music of Radio Freethinker! and a DVD of audio books on science, skepticism and atheism! and a Honorary membership of the UBC Freethinkers! <br /><br />If you Donate $300 or more... you get it all!!!<br />Call 604-822-8648 or 604 UBC UNIT<br /><br />Links:<br />Water on the moon <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/main/prelim_water_results.html">http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/main/prelim_water_results.html</a><br />Lake Agassiz <a href="http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Canadian+disaster+sparked+Freeze+Europe+years+scientist/2225992/story.html">http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Canadian+disaster+sparked+Freeze+Europe+years+scientist/2225992/story.html</a><br />Ethan's Skeptic North article in the National Post <a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/16/ethan-clow.aspx">http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/16/ethan-clow.aspx</a><br />Skepticism and The X-Files Event <a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/event.php?eid=168661704305&ref=mf">http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/event.php?eid=168661704305&ref=mf</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-14071103481516534882009-11-17T13:25:00.000-08:002009-11-17T13:32:47.312-08:00Show notes for Episode 36Radio Freethinker episode 36 - Carl Sagan Day, more Body Soul and Spirit expo <br /><span style="color:#33cc00;">Song</span>: Symphony of Science "We are all connected" by John Boswell <a href="http://www.symphonyofscience.com/">http://www.symphonyofscience.com/</a><br /><br />Carl Sagan Day: <a href="http://www.carlsaganday.com/">http://www.carlsaganday.com/</a><br /><br />H1 N1 Get the Facts: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=161444432417">http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=161444432417</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-26428109087749226722009-11-05T20:18:00.000-08:002009-11-05T20:25:42.493-08:00Show notes for Episode 35Radio Freethinker episode 35 - "Ahead of the Curve", Drug advisor fired, Mind Body and Spirit expo is discussed<br /><br />Links:<br />UK Drug advisor fired: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8338981.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8338981.stm</a><br /><br />Vaccine "ahead of the curve" <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1">http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1</a> and <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/2/shannon_brownlee_does_the_vaccine_matter">http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/2/shannon_brownlee_does_the_vaccine_matter</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-84414108669920358402009-11-05T20:04:00.000-08:002009-11-05T20:17:59.731-08:00Show notes for Episode 34Radio Freethinker episode 34 - Economic's Special! Topics include bailouts, HST, and Libertarianism vs Liberalism<br /><br />Links:<br />http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm<br />http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_45/b4154034724383.htm<br />http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=311<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Business_Cycle_Theory<br />http://mises.org/story/3127<br />http://mises.org/story/3770<br /><br />http://www.gov.bc.ca/hst/<br />http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2009/09/22/HSTMyths/<br />http://ubyssey.ca/ideas/?p=8846<br />http://www.policyalternatives.ca/~ASSETS/DOCUMENT/BC_Office_Pubs/bc_commentary/bccfall09.pdf<br />http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=105998706732&v=info<br /><br />Secondary links:<br /><br />http://www.saynotohstinbc.ca/news-articles/harmonised-sales-tax-will-hurt-bc-service-industry/<br />http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/bc-to-harmonize-sales-tax-with-gst/article1228772/<br />http://www.crfa.ca/aboutcrfa/newsroom/2009/hst_tax_increase_delivers_huge_hit_to_bc_families_and_tourists.aspRadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-46366015668224916222009-11-03T18:07:00.001-08:002009-11-03T18:10:01.883-08:00Podcast ProblemsHello all,<br /><br />Some may have noticed that episode 34 and 35 have yet to be updated on Itunes. We are aware of the problem and it should be corrected within the next 24 hours. Hopefully everything will work out. Thanks for your patience.<br /><br />Radio Freethinker.RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-45182581472171131972009-10-28T14:45:00.000-07:002009-10-28T14:54:15.770-07:00Show notes for Episode 33Radio Freethinker episode 33 - Halloween Special! Origins of Halloween, Trick or Treating, Scarey Myths<br /><br />Song: Theme to the <span style="color:#009900;">Crypt Keeper</span><br /><br />Origins of Halloween - Samhain <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samhain">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samhain</a> All Saints Day <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints_Day">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints_Day</a> Festival of the Dead <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festival_of_the_Dead">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festival_of_the_Dead</a><br /><br />Halloween is safe and always has been: <a href="http://weirdthings.com/2009/10/the-pin-poison-panic-the-true-story-of-american-candy-tampering/" target="_blank">http://weirdthings.com/2009/10/the-pin-poison-panic-the-true-story-of-american-candy-tampering/</a><br /><br />Mathematical model for surviving zombie outbreak: <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/zombies/" target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/zombies/</a><br /><br />Porphyria explains vampires and werewolves: <a href="http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/36662" target="_blank">http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/36662</a><br /><br />H1N1 - Get the Facts: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=161444432417">http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=161444432417</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-19768051028810917542009-10-21T10:00:00.000-07:002009-10-21T10:13:11.610-07:00Show notes for Episode 32Radio Freethinker episode 32 - "Priming the well", Placebo effect study, Science and skepticism<br /><br />Song: <span style="color:#009900;">The Big Bang Theory</span> by Barenaked Ladies<br /><br />Links:<br /><br />Placebo study: <a href="http://www.theprovince.com/technology/science/Placebo+effect+spine+well+mind/2111851/story.html">http://www.theprovince.com/technology/science/Placebo+effect+spine+well+mind/2111851/story.html</a><br /><br />Copper bracelets usless: <a href="http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/741-copper-and-magnetic-bracelets-useless.html">http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/741-copper-and-magnetic-bracelets-useless.html</a><br /><br />Open Access week: <a href="http://www.library.ubc.ca/schol_comm/oa/start.html">http://www.library.ubc.ca/schol_comm/oa/start.html</a><br /><br />Tck Tck Tck: <a href="http://tcktcktck.org/">http://tcktcktck.org/</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-45870541101576213812009-10-19T14:37:00.000-07:002009-10-19T14:45:21.785-07:00Show notes for Episode 31Radio Freethinker episode 31- Holocaust denial is discussed, new vaccine study on seasonal flu, Simon Singh court battle update, Canadian science media centre.<br /><br />Song: <span style="color:#009900;">I Won't Back Down</span> by Tom Petty<br /><br />Links:<br /><br />Study on vaccines: <a href="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/339/oct06_2/b3928">http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/339/oct06_2/b3928</a> also see <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2147">http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2147</a> and<br /><a href="http://www.skepticnorth.com/2009/10/h1n1-oops.html">http://www.skepticnorth.com/2009/10/h1n1-oops.html</a><br />Simon Singh: <a href="http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/333/">http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/333/</a><br />Canadian science media centre: <a href="http://www.sciencemediacentre.ca/smc/">http://www.sciencemediacentre.ca/smc/</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-57761222440464539802009-10-14T10:55:00.000-07:002009-10-14T11:10:51.061-07:00Show notes for Episode 30Radio Freethinker episode 30 - Space news, Shroud of Turin, Joseph Stalin's grandson sues newspaper.<br /><br />Song: <span style="color:#009900;">The Times They Are A-Changin'</span> by Bob Dylan<br /><br />Links:<br /><br />Shroud of Turin: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8291948.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8291948.stm</a><br /><br />Joseph Stalin's grandson sues newspaper: <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gLFLJM_wWYgj4-0X6AmDDrQds7fg">http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gLFLJM_wWYgj4-0X6AmDDrQds7fg</a> and <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/6319755/Josef-Stalins-grandson-loses-legal-attempt-at-rehabilitating-Soviet-dictators-reputation.html">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/6319755/Josef-Stalins-grandson-loses-legal-attempt-at-rehabilitating-Soviet-dictators-reputation.html</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-77612618879086508362009-10-06T17:33:00.000-07:002009-10-06T17:46:41.891-07:00Show notes for Episode 29Radio Freethinker episode 29 - Nobel Prize thoughts, Ardipithecus ramidus, interview with Steve Thoms <br />Song: <span style="color:#33cc00;">Glorious Dawn by Carl Sagan</span> - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc">A custom song created by youtube user Melodysheep</a>.<br /><br />Links:<br /><br />Canadian winning Nobel Prize: <a href="http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Canadian+wins+Nobel+Prize+physics/2071113/story.html">http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Canadian+wins+Nobel+Prize+physics/2071113/story.html</a><br /><br />Ardipithecus ramidus discovery: <a href="http://www.theprovince.com/technology/science/discovery+change+think+about+evolution/2054691/story.html">http://www.theprovince.com/technology/science/discovery+change+think+about+evolution/2054691/story.html</a><br /><br />Steve Thoms: <a href="http://www.somecanadianskeptic.com/">www.somecanadianskeptic.com</a><br /><br />Kennedy Goodkey's letter to the Georgia Straight: <a href="http://assholeskeptic.blogspot.com/2009/09/unleash-hounds.html">http://assholeskeptic.blogspot.com/2009/09/unleash-hounds.html</a><br /><br />Skeptic North: <a href="http://www.skepticnorth.com/">www.skepticnorth.com</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-70547651012407979982009-09-30T11:31:00.000-07:002009-09-30T11:49:29.066-07:00Show notes for Episode 28<p>Radio Freethinker episode 28 - Anti Vax rally in Vancouver, Global Warming/Climate Change and denial.</p><p>Song: <span style="color:#33cc00;">Walkin' on the Sun</span> by Smashmouth</p><p>Links: </p><p>Michael Shermers blog post: <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/29/economic-triage-for-global-climate-change/">http://skepticblog.org/2009/09/29/economic-triage-for-global-climate-change/</a></p><p>Vancouver Anti-Vax rally <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRioWza6RGg&feature=youtube_gdata">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRioWza6RGg&feature=youtube_gdata</a></p><p>Deniers Book by Lawrence Solomon <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deniers:_The_world-renowned_scientists_who_stood_up_against_global_warming_hysteria,_political_persecution,_and_fraud">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deniers:_The_world-renowned_scientists_who_stood_up_against_global_warming_hysteria,_political_persecution,_and_fraud</a></p><p>Hockey stick controversy <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy</a></p><p>Solar cycle <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation_theory">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation_theory</a></p>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-19886089623885898022009-09-22T21:18:00.000-07:002009-09-22T21:34:03.696-07:00Show notes for Episode 27Radio Freethinker episode 27 - A talk on evolutionary psychology, poor journalism by the Georgia Straight.<br />Song: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGOoyI6vTNQ"><span style="color:#33cc00;">Peter Gunn meets "Every breath you take"</span></a><br />Links:<br />Psyc 358 Evolutionary Psychology <a href="http://www.psych.ubc.ca/">http://www.psych.ubc.ca/</a><br />Georgia Straight article by Sonya McLeod <a href="http://www.straight.com/article-258247/homeopathy-offers-alternative-flu">http://www.straight.com/article-258247/homeopathy-offers-alternative-flu</a><br />Some Canadian Skeptic: <a href="http://www.somecanadianskeptic.com/2009/09/homeopathy-attempting-to-strike-in.html">http://www.somecanadianskeptic.com/2009/09/homeopathy-attempting-to-strike-in.html</a><br />UBC Freethinkers Movie Night: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268610986&ref=profile#/event.php?eid=166382938218">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268610986&ref=profile#/event.php?eid=166382938218</a><br />Skeptics in the Pub: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268610986&ref=profile#/event.php?eid=148311742641">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1268610986&ref=profile#/event.php?eid=148311742641</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-61305214334055947992009-09-17T20:42:00.000-07:002009-09-17T20:46:55.593-07:00Show notes for Episode 26Radio Freethinker episode 26 - Today we discuss Scientology with special guest Gerry Armstrong and interviews with Vanonymous.<br />Song "<span style="color:#33cc00;">Never going to give you up</span>" by Rick Astley<br />Links:<br />Gerry Armstrong <a href="http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/">http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/</a><br />Vancouver Anonymous <a href="http://www.vanonymous.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page">http://www.vanonymous.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-58070252681917324602009-09-17T20:30:00.000-07:002009-09-17T20:42:50.042-07:00Show notes for Episode 25Radio Freethinker episode 25 - This week in science, discussion on cults, interview with a cult survivor Featuring the song: "<span style="color:#009900;">Cult of Personality</span>" by Living Colour<br />Links:<br />UBC Freethinker Campus Club: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=64326845956">http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=64326845956</a><br />UBC Freethinker Blog: ubcfreethinkers.blogspot.com<br />Open Government/Standards <a href="http://fipa.bc.ca/home/">http://fipa.bc.ca/home/</a><br />Cafe Scientifique: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=67680986120">http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=67680986120</a><br />Skeptics in the Pub: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=5218449547">http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=5218449547</a>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5222017488318095580.post-33598942818670376502009-08-14T00:34:00.000-07:002009-08-14T01:13:44.999-07:00Ep 21 - Done to Death show<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center; text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"">Ep 21 – Done to death Episode<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm;border:none; mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">This week in history<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">3114 BC – The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, used by several pre-Colombian Mesoamerican civilizations, notably the Mayans, begins. 2012 Doomsday calendar<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">2001 – US President George W. Bush announces his support for federal funding of limited research on embryonic stem cells.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">1173 – Construction of the Tower of Pisa begins, and it takes two centuries to complete.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">1977 – In Yonkers, New York, 24-year-old postal employee David Berkowitz ("Son of Sam") is arrested for a series of killings in the New York City area over the period of one year.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">1945 –Nagasaki is devastated when an atomic bomb, "Fat Man", is dropped. 39,000 people are killed outright<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm;border:none; mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Topics<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><u><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Prayed to death<o:p></o:p></span></u></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Dale Neumann (and wife) found guilty of second-degree reckless homicide in the death of their 11yr daughter who dies from untreated diabetes.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Neumann, who once studied to be a Pentecostal minister, believed God would heal his daughter and he never expected her to die. God promises in the Bible to heal, he said.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," he testified. "I am not believing what he said he would do."<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Madeline die as a test of faith<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">The jury deliberated about 15 hours over two days before convicting Neumann.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Carl Brent Worthington, sentenced to 60 days in jail and ordered to provide medical care for his other children. acquitting the couple of felony manslaughter charges in the March 2008 death of their 15-month-old daughter, Ava, from pneumonia and a related blood infection that could easily have been cured with antibiotics.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Carl belongs to the Followers of Christ Church in Oregon City, which avoids doctors in favor of spiritual healing. Larry Lewman, a former medical examiner in the state, alleges that during a ten-year period twenty-five children perished due to the lack of medical intervention.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Like many states, Oregon has laws protecting from prosecution parents who practice faith healing. The laws in Oregon at the time were especially liberal in the protections granted to parents; granting immunity from manslaughter charges to parents whose children perished due to an alleged reliance on faith healing over traditional medicine<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">In January 1999, a bill was introduced in the Oregon Legislature to repeal the "religious beliefs" defence to charges of manslaughter, homicide, and child abuse. After much debate, a modified version of the law was subsequently passed later that year. Oregon State Law House Bill 2494 Section 163.555 2b retains the "religious beliefs" defence: "In a prosecution for failing to provide necessary and proper medical attention, it is a defence that the medical attention was provided by treatment by prayer through spiritual means alone by adherents of a bona fide religious denomination that relies exclusively on this form of treatment in lieu of medical attention." Thirty states have child abuse religious exemptions. These are Alabama, Alaska, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Virginia, and Wyoming. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/fhkiler2.htm<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:1.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm;border:none; mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><u><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Abortion<o:p></o:p></span></u></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">It will be assumed, that those who are our listeners, that there is no soul. As such, any definition of life will not rest upon this concept.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">This discussion is intended to explore the apparent logical contradiction between those who are approve of abortion on the one hand and decry capital punishment on the other. The apparent contradiction present being – is the preservation of life paramount; abortion points to no and capital punishment points to yes. As such, other issues around this debate (notable a woman’s right to body, father rights and democratic will) will be ignored....for now.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">For the sake of this talk (and as rational thinkers) we acknowledge the non-existence of a ‘soul’ and as such it will not be mentioned. Because ‘souls’ and ‘religion’ are inherently irrational, they can be used to prove any point. IE. One has no right to life until baptized.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">However, it must be acknowledged that at some point during gestation that the bundle of cells attains ‘personhood’ and that because of the contention of this issue, the contradiction above is possible even in a scientific debate.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Personhood<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent: 36.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">What is personhood?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent: 36.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Having rejected the spiritual definition (ie soul) what (and when) does a potential person achieve personhood?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent: 36.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">This is complicated by the fact, if one uses consciousness, the human brain finished development outside the womb<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Does this mean “post-birth” abortions are acceptable? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:90.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family: "Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Singer concluded that infanticide would be permissible until the 3rd month after birth, because, at that point, self-awareness has still not been acquired (Singer, P. (1976). Practical ethics, chap. 6. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">What about people of ‘diminished’ capacity later in life? (the elderly, injured, disabled or diseased)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Potentiality<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent: 36.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Denying existence to Einstein?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent: 36.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Although a fetus may not have rights, the person it would (have) become does.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent: 36.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">We can acknowledge we have legal/moral obligations to “potential” humans in the environmental debate. Immigrants often will sacrifice their own well being in the hopes that their potential progeny will prosper.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Morality<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Abortion for medical reasons<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Abortion for psychological reason<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Abortion for Socio-economic reasons<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom: 0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent: -18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size: 8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">A form of discrimination<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Abortion for gender selection<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom: 0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent: -18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size: 8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Cultural insensitivity<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:36.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Abortion as birth control – Overpopulation vs. alternative to condoms/the pill<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:1.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none; mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><u><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Capital Punishment<o:p></o:p></span></u></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Is it ever right/justified to take a life for the sake of the community/justice?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Is it EVER appropriate to kill the unjust?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">What about Hitler?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">What about a clear and unambiguous case of MASS homicide?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Morally speaking, if you allow it once, then your debate is not moral but practical<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Does killing a killer bring justice?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Does killing a killer save lives?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">What part of punishment is retribution and what part restitution? Does (should) it accomplish both or either or neither?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Wrongful conviction<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Utility – ie killing one innocent to prevent<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:90.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family: "Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Estimates 39 “probable” innocents executed in US since 1976 out of 1,171 (3.4%)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:90.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family: "Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><a href="http://www.law.northwestern.edu/wrongfulconvictions/issues/deathpenalty/executinginnocent"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">http://www.law.northwestern.edu/wrongfulconvictions/issues/deathpenalty/executinginnocent</span></a><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:90.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family: "Courier New""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/FactSheet.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Rights<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom: 0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent: -18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size: 8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family: Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Do the convicted have the same rights as the ‘innocent’ or are those (to some degree) relinquished by perpetrating a crime?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Economics<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Is it cheaper to kill than to confine?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm; margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:54.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-add-space:auto; text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:Tahoma"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">If restitution (for the loss of value to the community of the murdered), is killing the best way to achieve this? Maybe work-camps?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm;border:none; mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Quote<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:21.3pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-21.25pt"><span class="apple-style-span"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”.</span></i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br /></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height: 115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sherlock Holmes in The Sign of the Four</span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br /><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="color:black">corollary</span></span>: whatever is impossible, however desirable must be eliminated for the possible, however improbable they may seem. (Don)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:21.3pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-21.25pt"><span class="apple-style-span"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">“There is a rumour going around that I have found God. I think this is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.”<br /></span></i></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:8.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Terry Pratchett The Daily Mail (2008-06-21)</span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:21.3pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-21.25pt"><span class="apple-style-span"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">“Suicide was against the law. Johnny had wondered why. It meant that if you missed, or the gas ran out, or the rope broke, you could get locked up in prison to show you that life was really very jolly and thoroughly worth living.”<br /></span></i></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:8.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Terry Pratchett " Johnny and the Dead</span><span lang="EN-US">”</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> (1993)<o:p></o:p></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:21.3pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-21.25pt"><span class="apple-style-span"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Sahara. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively outnumbers the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.<br /></span></i></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:8.0pt; line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Richard Dawkins, 'Unweaving The Rainbow'<o:p></o:p></span></span></p> <div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm;border:none; mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">Song<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <h1 style="margin-top:2.9pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:2.9pt;margin-left: 0cm"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">Depeche Mode- Blasphemous Rumours<o:p></o:p></span></h1> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm; margin-left:1.0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-1.0cm"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"; mso-ansi-language:FR-CA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muziKxIyh5g<o:p></o:p></span></p>RadioFreethinkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14398154928909041867noreply@blogger.com0